After just a little digging though, it seems to me like this is a tempest in a teapot. The Dancetronauts were indeed denied a permit for their mutant vehicle for 2015, but consider the following:
I've personally enjoyed Dancetronauts before and have nothing against them, at all. I do, however, think that in an event of 70,000 people, rules are necessary, and when they're broken egregiously (no reason to be a stickler about small things), something has to be done, whether that's volume that's too loud, someone promoting a fucking album drop, or abusing the early entry pass system. Nobody's telling Dancetronauts they can't come to Burning Man either - they're just not going to get a mutant vehicle permit for this year. That's it. It's a wrist slap. The equivalent of a timeout, and only for their vehicle, since all the individual members are free to attend.
Here's the letter, omitted from the Burners.me article, from the DMV to Dancetronauts laying out the reasons for the denial of their permit. Read it and see what you think. Does the DMV come off to you like they're being completely unfair, especially considering the Dancetronauts mutant vehicle was on probation? I don't think so.
On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 9:58 AM, DMV Hotties wrote:
Hello Philip & Trav –
I apologize for the delay in getting back with you as I’ve just recently taken responsibility for DMV following the departure of Wally Bomgaars.
Our continuing concern is that your responses don’t address the core issues raised by DMV and by participants.
The key responses you sent us are:
It’s important for you to understand that the complaints about your sound levels on Burn night are serious and include complaints from two Burning Man founders, several members of the DMV Council, other Burning Man staff and the DMV Manager (Wally Bomgaars) personally. It did drown out music from other nearby mutant vehicles.
“Keep in mind that if we continue to have the level of complaints and issues that we have been having for the past few years, we may have to take greater steps to limit large sound on vehicles. Please consider your impact on the community and help us all keep sound on MVs a positive experience.”
The Dancetronaut's mutant vehicle was issued a conditional license for 2014 based on sound policy violations from 2013.
Following the 2014 event, as previously mentioned, we received more sound complaints about the Dancetronauts mutant vehicle than any other vehicle in the history of the event. Despite multiple requests, you have not provided a satisfactory response to these complaints nor provided a plan to address them for 2015.
Additionally, in 2014, we were notified Dancetronauts were offering among other things, Early Entry passes and access to their mutant vehicles as a perks as part of your Indiegogo fundraiser. Early Entry passes were created specifically to allow artists, theme camp organizers and mutant vehicles owners early access to the event site to prepare for the event. It was a violation of the Early Entry pass policy to offer them as a perk.
This combination of infractions and your inability to provide a satisfactory response and resolution leave us no option but to deny a license to the Dancetronauts mutant vehicle for 2015. You are welcome to apply next year for 2016.
Terry Schoop and the DMV Council
So what do you think? BMORG overreaction or legitimate punishment? Let us know below or on Facebook.
6/16/2015 11:55:07 am
Legit. Interesting that this particular email was left out.
6/16/2015 12:12:25 pm
Not really considering that Burners.me is obviously an overly sensationalized exercise in self importance run by anti-BMOrg troll.
6/17/2015 04:10:46 pm
Well put. My thoughts exactly. So happy to see a voice representing thoughtful analysis instead of reactionary ranting.
6/19/2015 03:53:18 am
More complaints in the history of BM? Yes, but who did the complaints come from? The complaints seem to have all come from the same entity or group of people that obviously had it out for the Dancetronauts. Most of the written complaints were from a group of friends made to look like it was sent by random people. Several have been found to not even have attended Burning Man. This was clearly an inside job to satisfy someone's wants.
6/16/2015 12:10:37 pm
Email me for the ENTIRE thread of e-mails with Terry Schoop. As for the the early pass not sure why that's a still an ongoing topic or relevant? We already addressed that with DMV and we had the early pass removed within 24hrs of it it ever appearing on our fundraiser ... that was set up by a 3rd party who was not aware that you can't do that. And as such NO transaction or offer ever took place, what are we guilty of here? And DMV received a total of 32 formal complaints, I can forward you those to. Funny we weren't given any copies of those complaints or did DMV provide that in 2013, we were giving a warning that we were too loud, but given the instances in which. As I have explained, out of 6 years, 100's of DJ's we had our first big fuck up when he started plugging his album during his set. This past year we took the warning seriously, which is why out of 40+ scheduled hours of music and 7 days... we had 2 hours we BLEW IT.... Alien Siege and Burn Night. TOTALLY NOT ACCEPTABLE. So we're taking the year off, it's our slap on the wrist. And yes, we can easily resolve this, by having no microphone and turning it down or off, during these burns and performances. Nobody communicated to us that we were blowing it before or during.... only AFTER. But we certainly have been made an example and except our wrong doings more than ever and know better. We learn and improve for the future. We have no intent of purposefully ruining anything and we are truly sorry to anyone who we negatively effected or annoyed. If you were at the Burn, Alien Siege or part of the Fire Conclave, please write us, give us a chance to apologize personally.
Hi Travis - I msg'd you on FB prior to this comment, using my real name, btw.
6/16/2015 12:53:16 pm
6/16/2015 03:07:22 pm
Hi Burn Kitty,
6/16/2015 03:49:56 pm
"we had 2 hours we BLEW IT.... Alien Siege and Burn Night."
6/16/2015 03:58:15 pm
6/17/2015 03:00:52 am
👆What he said!👆
6/16/2015 06:21:26 pm
Very well put Travis
6/16/2015 07:20:46 pm
It was reported on another site that the offensive DJ burn night was none other than Philthy Phil, captain of Dancetronauts. Should he have not known that plugging an album is not only just not cool, but particularly offensive to burners?
6/16/2015 08:18:53 pm
Stop complaining that you weren't told during the event. You were. You just didn't feel it was worth listening to the opinions of random people who couldn't do anything to you. Too bad you can't just blank-stare your way out of a DMV rejection.
6/17/2015 12:53:48 am
Obviously it was impossible for any of you on the car to hear all the people around us at the burn screaming at your car to "shut the fuck up." Not only did I have to leave the man burn before it was over due to a raging, volume induced headache, your car is the primary reason I told my husband I wasn't interested in attending in the future. I have no idea if my complaint was one of the 32 but I did write an email upon returning home. My biggest complaint was that the fire dancers in front of us couldn't hear the drumming that was happening right next to them and had to switch to the music you were playing instead. That's a lot of hours of practice down the shitter and just plain rude.
6/17/2015 07:35:13 am
You honestly ruined my entire groups burn night including mine for some time. Thanks
6/17/2015 08:15:21 am
Are you intentionally trying to be a drama queen Madison? They have a kick ass sound system and like to use it. I along with THOUSANDS of others love dancing to it. I respect your ability to like whatever you like, but stop crying- your better than that.
Good News Bear
6/17/2015 08:32:39 am
6/17/2015 10:30:55 am
You guys are scum anyways...you don't care anything about the burn or the community. Your entire goal is to make money from everyone. Your DJs suck, your business practices are deplorable and you prey on people. Screw you
6/19/2015 03:16:55 am
Except we haven't profited and we operate out of debt. Costs us a lot of money and work to do, build, bring and do what we do. We fundraise this way, just like EVERY THEME CAMP fundraises.... we just dont do it every week in San Francisco. Throwing private parties for burners, profiting off of burners, promoting our theme camp DJ's, albums and merchandise and posting even flyers in the Burner community every week. Yeah you got us!!! Running a loosing business for 6+ years...
Oh, THAT car. I never saw it up close. I ran the F away every time it was within 100 yards. Glad that the DMV took action.
6/17/2015 01:08:50 am
PS- not everything I said here applies to this particular car - the latter half of my 'rant' is generally speaking. I feel better now, at least.
6/17/2015 01:38:32 am
Thank you for supplying another side to the story. burners.meh is just a troll site that pretends to be some subversive element but is just an angry gossip rag with no real value to the community. Nice to see Travis showed up to continue his defensive ranting about how they are innocent victims.
6/19/2015 03:19:21 am
The only thing I have to defend is all the attacks, assumptions and ongoing judgements. Other than that we already have pleaded guilty to what we are in violation of and we know what to do moving forward. Thank you for continually trying to punish us, even though we have gotten away with and gained NOTHING!
6/17/2015 03:18:53 am
This discussion has been an education for many of us. As a mutant car owner/ builder, I can personally appreciate the level of effort and resources that Dancetronauts invests. This investment occurs well in advance of the anxiety of the permitting process, and is motivated by the desire to share the fruits of our labors with the citizens of Black Rock. The unfortunate circumstances discussed here will help us all to conduct ourselves in a manner commensurate with this event we cherish. I truly appreciate the efforts of BRDMV as well. Their's is a daunting task. We look forward to seeing you all....
6/17/2015 04:40:37 am
Forwarding the emails to burners.me, a site that only exists to antagonize the borg, doesn't really make me believe that their claim of being sorry. Making it a big public mess to try and drum up support for them and against the DMV was never going to help their cause.
6/17/2015 05:04:53 am
6/17/2015 06:43:21 am
Just read the 5,000-word whine fest posted on Burners.me and wanted to vomit. This article is much more balanced (and grammatically correct, but that's a different matter).
6/17/2015 06:59:52 am
6/17/2015 07:24:24 am
There is always that element of "you are grounded until you can prove you are responsible!" isn't there?
6/17/2015 07:59:52 am
Couldn't you just have sound at your camp instead? Maybe it wouldn't be as loud as the car, but is volume the only point? I hope not. Honestly, my favorite places to dance are the smaller camps in the city streets. You can get pretty loud even without a placed camp, and most people wouldn't complain. Instead of pouting in the corner, adapt and bring something different. You could still have the go-go dancers and most of the lights. If you kept it within reason, you'd be the most popular camp on your street, for sure. Something like a smaller Pink Mammoth (my favorite place to dance at BRC).
6/17/2015 07:56:57 am
"Civic Responsibility"... Wow it sounds so "default world"... :(
What makes Burning Man special to me, and different from 'festivals' is that it's a city. So I think that 'civic responsibility' is actually really appropriate. We have our own mores and customs, but that doesn't mean we don't have any rules at all or any responsibility to each other out there.
6/17/2015 08:04:22 am
Does "social capitol" or "respect" sound better?
My campmates and I have ALWAYS complained about the music, except for a very few years that were not dominated by horrible techno and disco. We've settled in the 'burbs by the 7:30 plaza where we can actually listen to what we play.
6/19/2015 01:19:58 am
maybe you should read the 10 principles and not attend BM.
6/20/2015 11:26:44 pm
6/17/2015 08:02:24 am
The fact that politics and Burning Man are used in the same sentence really saddens me.
6/17/2015 08:16:05 am
Personally I liked the burns in the past when there was less amplified sound. Humans' social interactions, and collective social consciousness is highly dependent on voice cues, both linguistic and not linguistic. When deafening sound is persuasive, it puts up a barrier to group social behavior. It renders everyone effectively deaf, and dumb.
6/17/2015 10:17:54 am
This just reminds me of why BM politics and out of control attendance growth has kept me away from the playa since 2006. The more bodies you throw into the mix, the more likelyhood everything is going to turn political, authoritarian, and drift further from the original spirit of BM. I am by no means a radical, anarchist, or troublemaker but BM today feels a world away from its humble beginnings. Perhaps its time to give it all a rest and move on like so many old burners already have., We will always have our memories to keep us smiling.
6/17/2015 10:22:12 am
Responsibility is the price of freedom (Elbert Hubbard).
Burner w/o a Name
6/17/2015 10:35:57 am
Burners.me did some good coverage of Sherpa Gate and The BORG's pathetic response to that event. Burners.me's article about the Dancetronauts is one of the biggest pieces of garbage that I've ever read and the article's comment section is equally painful. I for one am worn down by the combination of The BORG's poor decision making, Burners.me's editing-free diatribes and how BM ticket scarcity and BM jumping the shark are impacting the event and community. I'm glad that I had a good run in BRC before the dusty shit hit the fan big time. :(
6/17/2015 10:55:34 am
6/17/2015 11:16:54 am
All the troll accusations, now supported with facts?
6/17/2015 11:31:14 am
Typo in article. First "2016" should read 2015".
6/17/2015 06:59:11 pm
Man, I can't believe these newbs are being so rude and angry about this. It's ducking burning man. The way some people are responding to this and talking to feed their ego is worse than the damn "offenses" that took place. It's burning man. Get a grip on yourselves people. You sound like f*cking children complaining about someone who is bugging them. Let the penis envy go and give these guys a break. I don't know the dancetronauts personally, but they seem 1000x's cooler than the BMOrg teet sucking author of this post and the DMV reps.
6/17/2015 08:19:37 pm
I don't know why i just wasted like 10 mins reading this negative, childish blog.
6/17/2015 10:57:48 pm
Or another 5 responding to it? (Face-palm for irony...)
6/18/2015 09:36:13 am
I'd heard that the motto at BM was "Remember, Safety Third". I guess that means that in the midst of fun you can and sometimes do get hurt. And when you do, it's often because of random non-repeating stuff. Here's a current example. Better luck next time.
6/18/2015 03:36:49 pm
im not part of dancetranauts crew but: Us Vegas peeps are crazy and used to no rules and 24-7 party time!What did you expect 😁 But on a more serious note I see a big divide and perhaps a future playa civil war between the old school burners from the early 90s and the peeps who've made the event what it is today who came in later and boosted ticket sales to 70k and profits. Last year we had a camp that wasn't even a sound camp and we were placed directly next to the temple burners- like seriously when I woke up I would see the temple masters out of our window leaning against our RV. Was cool to see and help with transporting temple pieces. All old school burners. We were following sound rules and not going over set decibel levels but had many old burners complain about the electronic music. Not the volume. I shouldn't say it bc he apologized to us but even the temple master himself went up and vandalized our art project with a sharpie saying "stop playing shitty music" or something like that. He apologized when our camp master chased him down (which was a funny site seeing an important old man from the burn community running from a chick!) We didn't put in a pussy complaint! but it still set in that the old peeps hate electronic music in all shapes in forms. And especially trap! But the guy has a last name of Best bc he is awesome and was sincerely sorry for what he did. But just watch. The battle will get more bitter. 50-70 year old burners don't wanna hear our crazy music. For christs sake their ears are more sensitive.
6/18/2015 03:45:33 pm
Just to add to it in defense of the temple crew. They got dicked on placement last year. The people in charge should know these guy shouldn't be sandwiched in between planet earth and Rowdy ass theme camps. Come on placement crew. Luckily we dealt with the situation I mentioned above like real neighbors and like compassionate people and we were all great buddies in the end. I appreciate the complaint system but it reminds me of ratting on people and can be dealt with on playa with discussion and love. Much love To the temple crew and thanks for showing us how you live and make that amazing art and letting us help. Did anybody else know that the temple is built on playa in pieces and they are working the entire burn While we are partying? Many many props and love your way guys!
Yep, most of the big art is built in pieces and then assembled on-playa. It's not feasible to bring much of it in one piece - too big - and it takes months or years to build some of it. The Temple crew this year, for instance, is over in Oakland working 12pm-10pm M-F and 10 am-10pm on Saturdays and Sundays building the Temple. (Different crew from last year though.)
6/19/2015 03:22:06 am
Although, I seem to be like 90% of everyone else who wants to chime in, yet wasn’t even actually there at the present time. But we all want to be heard, everyone loves to complain, bitch and bring the default world into Burning Man. Our opinions are so little heard in the real world, that we abuse them in a community that actually listens.
6/19/2015 06:40:19 am
Having been for the past 14 years I'm fucking sick of deafeningly loud art cars playing thumpa-thumpa-thumpa music. Personally I hate most of the stuff that gets played, and it's SO intrusive if you're trying to have a quiet, magical moment somewhere or in fact do anything that doesn't involve having your ears battered by someone else's idea of music. The only place for that is deep deep playa, not near art pieces or camps.
6/20/2015 10:27:50 pm
Thump a thump music! Ha ha. Let's all play David Bowie. I'm down. Thing is it's a city and everyone listens to different music just like in real world. It saddens me to see such hatred and anguish in your comment especially after 14 years at the burn. It doesn't matter what music people are playing. I might not enjoy super 24/7 trance coming from 9pm side so I limit my time over there. Bring ear plugs! Yes that's in the survival guide. Just like I probably wouldn't think it too cool- Seeing you and your 14 year camp mates sitting in lawn chairs outside your RV all crusty and feeling self entitled to the city bc it's been 14 burns-sitting there and just judging or being on this website doing so. Do people just become more uptight as they go to more burns or is it a part of getting older? I imagine by my 14th burn I won't even go out dancing. But I'll never hate on people for music styles.
5/22/2016 06:27:35 pm
9 time burner here. Its the VOLUME, not just the music and its not just age! I have not liked super loud since I was early 20s! Play your EDM at the MANDATORY, set by BMORG levels. That means normal car stereo level, not giant arena volume. And don't drive deep in the residential areas E-K streets 3-10 am blasting volume!
6/23/2015 06:33:11 am
Travis is cool - I met him in his early 2011 year - he is an artist, like all others who build and bring to the Burn. Like all our builders, every year he worked on his shit, and every year it got bigger and badder. If your shit is sound, that often means louder and louder - he had the means and made it happen - It is a rare tech-builder who doesn't go bigger...If no one handed him RULES THAT HAD TO BE FOLLOWED, of course he just kept doing his own thing - it's Burning Man 'fer chris'sake. Now he has his RULES, and his PUNISHMENT and he can re-up or not. But all the whiny "you ruined my Burn" BS? Everyone has some "you ruined my Burn" story - stop making it sound like Travis has some corner on the piss-off market. I spun fire in Conclave 2 years in a row - it is hard to focus on choreography for hundreds of reasons. When THE MOST COMPLAINTS EVER REGISTERED turns out to be 32 total? Squeaky-wheel syndrome is not a good fit with the Playa. Will def miss dancing my ass off to Travis' creation.
7/28/2016 12:06:18 pm
Resistance is FUTILE, the BMORG!!!
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